Tuesday, July 25, 2006

Calvinist vs. Non-Calvinist Discussion Redux

If you're not tired of the whole Calvinist vs. Non-Calvinist topic, Eye has continued the discussion over at his blog.

Are You An Extreme Calvinist?

Unconditional Election and Stargates

Limited Atonement--Continuation of Extreme Calvinism Articles




At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:44:00 PM, Blogger Eye said...


Many thanks for the link and your support!

In Him,


At Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:43:00 PM, Anonymous Mike said...

Found your site through Eye's. Love the stuff here, it's great stuff. Keep rightly dividing.
That said, you may be more influenced by reformed theology than you think.
On the last post, you said, "Antonio, I agree that we are no longer under the curse of the Moasic Law, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't still expect us to follow His law."
But God does NOT expect us to follow the Old Testament law as a way of life, whether the spirit of the law or whatever. That thinking stems from reformed theology.
You also said, "If the law of God is no longer in effect, then we are lawless and I don't believe God expects us to be lawless."
This is Paul's conundrum in Romans 7-8, where he talks about the law as a way of life and the better life God has provided. He says, we are "dead to the law", "that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter." (Emph. mine)
"For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh...that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh [by the law] but according to the Spirit [by faith]."
Being outside the jurisdiction of the Old Testament law does not mean that we are lawless, for Christ said, "A new command I give to you, that you love one another." (As a side, Why is this a new command if we are still under the Old Testament law?)
You then said, "In fact, it is the law of God that we must follow."
And again, I say that this thinking only comes from reformed theology, you will not find it in the words of Paul or post-crucifixion Jesus. Not the Old Testament law.
You then said, "Jesus came to fulfill the law, not do away with it."
But don't you see the beauty of it? By fulfilling the law, He did away with it.
"What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made..."
"Before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law...Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor."
As always, the just shall live by faith.
"Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?"
"Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?"
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, Cursed is everyone [you and me] who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them....the just shall live by faith. Yet the law is not of faith, but the man who does them shall live by them."
"...the strength of sin is the law."

At Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:01:00 PM, Anonymous Mike said...

i forgot, in my last post i wanted to include:
the thin man series...now there's quality entertainment the likes of which they just don't make anymore. nice choice.

At Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:55:00 PM, Blogger Dawn said...

Hey Mike! Thanks for stopping by and stating your opinion, and thanks for the kind words. I'm working on a response to your comment about the Law.

The Thin Man Series! You're absolutely right. They just don't make 'em like that anymore. I ADORE old movies. :-)

At Monday, July 31, 2006 4:36:00 PM, Blogger Dawn said...

Mike, I had company this weekend so I haven't had a chance to work any more on the response. Hopefully I can concentrate on that in the next few days between the other things I have to do. Thanks for your patience. :-)

P.S. Don't pop the question just yet! I have something to say about marriage.


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